Q. You mentioned Jyoti. Can one get Jyoti by only singing Naam?
A. Yes, the more the Naam deepens, the more the Jyoti appears. At madhyama, Jyoti and Nada both coexist.

Q. Does one get Jyoti or Nada first?
A. That is not certain. According to the adhikar, (i.e. merit of the person concerned) Nada or Jyoti comes first.

Q. Will you explain to me clearly what is Jyoti?
Atha Yadata* Paro Divo JyotirdSpyate
— Again, the light of Brahma, that shines above this heaven, above everything, above all, in the incomparably best and the highest worlds, even this is the light within the body of the man.

Q. Then is that Brahma-Jyoti which illuminates everything is the Jyoti inside a person? But how do I realise that the Jyoti exists within myself?
A. Heat is the sign of the existence of Jyoti. When you touch anyone’s body, you feel the heat. From that it can be concluded that Jyoti exists in that body. The dead body has no heat.

Q. But I have heard that one cannot feel heat in the bodies of great men who are in a state of samadhi.
A. Heat exists in a very fine form in their Brahma-randhra (top of the head from where life goes out), but it cannot be felt by anyone by touching his sthula (gross) body.

Q. What is Nada?
A. Nada is the sign of hearing this Jyoti (light);
— It can be heard in the same way as, on closing the ears, one hears something like the sound of chariot or the bellowing of a bull or the sound of a blazing fire.
— These are the signs of hearing the Brahma Jyoti.

Q. It means that Jyoti is the sign of seeing and Nada is the sign of hearing the Brahma Jyoti. When one sees Jyoti, it signifies that he is seeing the Brahma-Jyoti; and when one is hearing Nada, it means that he is hearing the same Brahma Jyoti. But how is Naam related to Brahma Jyoti?
A. The first word or Naam, which is at the root of all Naam, is Omkar. It is made of three letters A, C, ‘(a, u, m). From the letter A (a), all letters have been created. Hence all Naam is but one or another form of Omkar.

Q. But what is the relationship between the Brahma-Jyoti and Pranava or Omkar?
A. Pranava itself is Brahma. Para Pranava is nirguna Brahma or Apara Brahma (Brahma without attributes) and Apara Pranava is saguna Brahma or Apara Brahma (Brahma with attributes). Para Pranava and Apara Pranava exist like two threads entwined in a piece of cloth.

Q. But I am asking about the relationship between Jyoti and Pranava or Omkar.
— In the sushumna which is lying along the backbone, light like that of crystal diamond, smoke, bindu, nada, kala, star, glow-worm, candle-light, eye, gold, nine-jewels are visible. That is the identity of Pranava.

Q. Then it follows that the identity of Pranava is found in the different varieties of Jyoti and if one can see Jyoti it amounts to one’s seeing Pranava or Brahma.
A. Yes. In the Chandogya Upanishad (Chaper 3), in describing Madhu Vidya, it has been said. “The madhu of yajna (karma) done according to the Rig-Veda is the red hue of the sun, the madhu of karma done according to Yajur-Veda is the white hue of the sun and the madhu of work done according to Sama-Veda is the black hue of the sun. The mantras of Atharva-Veda impinge on the itihasa-puranas and from this one gets fame and wealth. This madhu settles in the sun and appears as its deep black hue. That is the sun’s deep black appearance. Secret practices and meditation give rise to a special kind of madhu (nectar) and this appears as the quivering in the middle of the sun (dityasya Madhye Kshobhate Iva.)

Q. Do all these Jyotis remain in the sun?
A. These Jyotis remain in the sun of the greater brahmanda (world). But these Jyotis also remain in the sun which exists in the small brahmanda, which is in everybody’s heart. Only those sadhakas, whose sins have been destroyed by sadhana, can see these internal Jyotis.

Q. But many other varieties of Jyotis can be seen; what are they?
A.  (Bindu Koti /hatani ca) — Jyoti is of billion varieties. Whichever Jyoti is visible, it is the Jyoti of the Omkar. Omkar alone is dancing about as hundred and thousand varieties of Jyoti and Nada.
— Nada is like a pure crystal extending from the muladhar to the Brahma randhra. This Nada is called the Brahma, the Paramatma.

Q. I have heard much. What do I have to do?
A. What will you do? Why not only sing Ram Ram; that will give you everything.

Jai Ram, Jai Ram, Jai Sitaram.